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Manchu Soviet Socialist Republicby ~kyuzoaoi

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Some infobox about the Manchu SSR.

The CoA is a placeholder though and I edited it from the CoA of the Chinese Soviet Republic from Wikipedia.

*Joshua-Sinclair Mar 6, 2013 Hobbyist Artist

I am surprised Stalin didn't actually see to it that this really happened.

~XcombatX Mar 6, 2013

In OTL, Stalin annexing Manchuria would've ruined any prospect of cooperation between the Soviet Union and the CPC. Personally, I'm more surprised that the Mongolian People's Republic avoided annexation in this scenario. Stalin already had the Tuvans in 1944 and if he went so far as to directly incorporate former Manchukuo, why not absorb Mongolia as well?

*Joshua-Sinclair Mar 6, 2013 Hobbyist Artist

Wouldn't Stalin annexing Manchu actually lessen the possibility of China siding with North Korea during the Korean War?

~XcombatX Mar 7, 2013

There would probably be too many butterflies resulting from a Soviet Manchuria to be entirely sure what would happen to China and her role in the Korean War. Without the Manchurian provinces as a source of material and manpower, secure hinterland to fall back on and the captured Japanese armament that was given to the PLA by the Soviets, a disillusioned Mao might very well cut ties with the Soviets (who he feels stabbed him in the back by compromising Chinese territorial integrity) and send his army into a U.S.-backed Nationalist death trap when moving southeast. Basically, I believe that by offending the CPC with his outrageous annexation of occupied Manchukuo, Stalin single-handedly eliminates any chances the formerly Soviet-backed Communists in Yan'an might have had bringing about a Communist revolution in China.

Hence why I was surprised that the Communist Mongolian puppet state wasn't absorbed into the Union. Or, now that I think of it, why the Soviets didn't press harder on Sinkiang. With a successful establishment of the Second East Turkestan Republic during the Ili Rebellion, Stalin was in a position to create three buffer states under his direct control (East Turkestan, Mongolia and Manchuria) between the Soviet Union and a surviving Republic of China. Although it would be a logical decision when the USSR chooses to get involved in China and save the Russians many headaches, it sadly goes against kyuzoaoi's desire to see Manchuria as an SSR.

~kyuzoaoi Mar 7, 2013 Student Artist

Nationalist China still falls to the Soviets by trying to attack Mongolia and Manchuria. Choibalsan found Chiang backstabbing him so he helped and forced Stalin to make a promise not to annex Mongolia to the USSR and prevent anyone from both sides from doing so.

China falls to the Soviets with a more pliable communist leader like Zhou Enlai put into place, Mao being "retired". The Sino-Soviet split began later and because Deng Xiaoping liberalized the Chinese economy. China is too big to the Soviets to puppetized, and a nuclear-armed, too. The reason why the PRC got nukes is because the Nationalists in Formosa detonated an atomic bomb first.

The Korean War happens, and ebbs up as in OTL, but in this scenario, this is the only Proxy War where the Soviets and the Americans fought directly in land combat. The Chinese played second-fiddle as well as the DPRK.

~XcombatX Mar 8, 2013

I see, thanks for clarifying.

Still, what does the CPC think of the Soviet annexation of Manchukuo? Seeing as how in OTL they considered most of the former Qing lands to be integral parts of the greater Chinese nation, they can't have been too happy about continuing their cooperation with Moscow. Also, what was the U.S./Western response to the Soviet-orchestrated invasion of China? Had that happened in our time, I'm pretty sure we would've had a Third World War on our hands...

~kyuzoaoi Mar 8, 2013 Student Artist

Well, let's say the Mongolians are the offended party by having the KMT invade Outer Mongolia. This was I think would be a Sino-Mongolian War, where Mongols, and Soviet Buryat, Tuvan, and Kalmyk volunteers are recruited to help them. Mongolia gets Inner Mongolia, the PRC keeps Xinjiang and Tibet, but not as Autonomous Regions, but Autonomous People's Republics so the Uyghurs and Tibetans are encouraged to stay. Autonomy as in OTL, but more meaningful ala the other SSRs in the USSR in OTL.

~Mhvost Mar 6, 2013

They didn't want to. And their help during WWII is hard to underestimate - their horses partially solved army transport problem. (At 22.06.1941 RKKA was short of almost half a million trucks).

~XcombatX Mar 7, 2013

Also, remember that this is an alternate history. Stalin didn't want to annex Manchuria either in our time and instead stripped its cities of the industries and valuables the Japanese had left behind, before handing it over to the Chinese Communists - along with all Japanese weapons they had captured. All we're doing here is theorizing a "what if".

~XcombatX Mar 7, 2013

I am aware of the OTL condition of the armies in Siberia. Despite the fact that the divisions in the Far East were generally better equipped and trained than their counterparts in the west, the Soviets lacked the ability to quickly redeploy and replenish their forces (as you said, due to the lack of vehicles, but also the limitations of the Trans-Siberian Railway). Hence why it took the Red Army a while to get its act together for the invasion of Manchuria in 1945.

Still, Mongolia had been a Soviet puppet state since 1924 and I don't believe it would've required much, if any, large-scale military resolve to annex them into the USSR. Perhaps give the new Mongolian SSR a few Mongol-majority territories, including Tuva, and promise them to some day redeem Inner Mongolia from the Chinese. That ought to sweeten the deal.

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